If the CO gets wind of this every elder and MS involved in this will be reprimanded and possibly demoted.
Watchtower rules officially don't even allow for social coffee in the KH after the meeting.
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Marriage Proposal in the Kingdom Hall
by Listener injust when you think you've seen it all comes another interesting use of a kingdom hall.a young man serenades his girlfriend with a song (possibly a watchtower song) from the stage through a microphone and backed by recorded music.
then he steps off the stage and gets down on one knee and proposes as he pulls out a ring from his coat pocket.
the large projector screen flashes up behind them with a picture of a sapphire and diamond ring.cameras capture the joyous moment as she accepts and they lock together in a loving hug.
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Brazen Conduct???
by Vanderhoven7 inhow is brazen conduct defined by the elders?
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do you know of any cases where it has been improperly used against the r&f...you-know, like squeezing the toothpaste tube the wrong way is sometimes touted as mental cruelty?
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Anders Andersen
“brazen conduct” describes acts that reflect an attitude that betrays disrespect, disregard, or even contempt for divine standards, laws, and authority. Therefore, two elements are involved in brazen conduct: (1) The conduct itself is a serious violation of Jehovah’s laws, and (2) the attitude of the wrongdoer toward God’s laws is disrespectful, insolent.—w06
Though this is not an exhaustive list, brazen conduct may be involved in the following if the wrongdoer has an insolent, contemptuous attitude made evident by a practice of these things:
- Willful, continued, unnecessary association with disfellowshipped nonrelatives despite repeated counsel.—Matt. 18:17b; 1 Cor. 5:11, 13; 2 John 10, 11; w81 9/15 pp. 25-26. 60 “Shepherd the Flock of God”—1 Peter 5:2
- Child sexual abuse: This would include fondling of breasts, an explicitly immoral proposal, showing pornography to a child, voyeurism, indecent exposure, and so forth.
- Continuing to date or pursue a romantic relationship with a person though not legally or Scripturally free to marry, despite repeated counsel and generally after a warning talk to the congregation.—Gal.
That is the official definition. Basically it involves ignoring the elders. They don't like that. You'll be kicked out. Because ignoring elders is worse than raping children then pretending you're sorry.
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Anders Andersen
Congratulations Stan! Happy Birthday to you!
Isn't 70 the number for complete perfection? ;-)
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Solicitors Visit Update
by pale.emperor inin case you're not aware of my last two threads:.
the situation that arose in that my mother has been having secret access to my daughter and refusing to tell me how she is: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here.
the build up to my solicitors visit: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6284953638666240/solicitors-appontment-tomorrow-advice-appreciated.
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Anders Andersen
Very good. Thank you very much for sharing!
I'll drink one tonight to celebrate for you ;-)
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen intoday a government meeting re.
child abuse & jw was held.
see this post.
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Anders Andersen
They are begging for money. And the first persons they plant to hire aren’t child abuse specialists, not scientists, not psychologists, but LAWYERS, plural, for unstated and ambiguous reasons.
Seems like you're describing Watchtower again ;-)
More serioislt, do you think Watchtower child abuse policies are flawless, or are they flawed?
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Solicitors Appontment Tomorrow - Advice Appreciated
by pale.emperor infollowing up on this thread: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here?page=3#!#5179106934128640.
im seeing my solicitor tomorrow to see about getting an order in place making sure any contact my daughter has with my jw family goes through me and not my ex-wife.. explained the situation briefly to the lawyer, she was asking more and more about why should i be concerned if a jw had access to my child.. i mentioned the blood issue, the shunning, the inappropriate pictures of armageddon in books/mags etc.
do you think i should bring in watchtower literature to show them what i mean?
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You would never accept less than a package deal if they wanted to come over to your place to see her, and you wouldn't drop her off and turn tail and run in shame either. Fuck that.
I second that.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen intoday a government meeting re.
child abuse & jw was held.
see this post.
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Anders Andersen
All Netherlands has to do make mandatory reporting law, country wide.
Don't you think it's strange that God's supposedly clean people with the highest standard of morality of all needs worldly law makers to tell them crimes should be reported to the police, and children need to be protected from abuse?
If JW were really gods people they'd be an example for the world instead of the other way around.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen intoday a government meeting re.
child abuse & jw was held.
see this post.
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Watchtower (and others) can be made subject to mandatory reporting of child abuse. No religious liberties at stake there.
In fact, Dutch law already requires that everyone who has knowledge of serious crimes like rape report it to the police. Those who don't risk prosecution.
They can be forced to create, publish and implement a proper child protection policy.
They can be required to appoint and properly educate people who'd act as internal contact point for child abuse cases.
They can be required to demand official 'statements of good behavior' before appointing elders.
There are lots of things that can be done to improve the situation without infringing on personal or religious freedom.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen intoday a government meeting re.
child abuse & jw was held.
see this post.
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Yeah, sure. Then why did their lawyer suggest they hand over child abuse files? Obviously, to solicit victims
Already way over 200 victims have contacted RV. They hardly need to 'solicit'. This is an avalanche of suffering, caused in part by Watchtower.
and encourage them to sue in an attempt to drain them financially. This isn’t rocket science.
If you know anything about the Dutch legal system, you'd know monetary compensation for anything are jokes around here. This is not the USA. Trying to drain Watchtower financially by seeking compensation payments is useless in the Netherlands.
This has never been and will never be about protecting children of Jehovahs Witnesses.
You are describing Watchtower perfectly. Maybe even your own mindset.
Whatdo you do to improve the situation of child abuse victims within JW. At least RV is doing something. Don't accuse others of not caring for victims of you haven't done a single thing to help them yourself.
If it were, RV would go after the parents of abused children and demand answers as to why they failed their children.
JW parents' behavior is in large part a result of Watchtower doctrine, policies and culture. Don't JW normally pride themselves in having been reformed thanks to Watchtower? In cases like these, with elders having knowledge of abuse but not supporting victims to go to the police, or even discouraging them to do so, Watchtower is at least partly responsible. Their policies are damaging, and need to change.
But WT has the deeper pockets, and retribution is in order.
We'll see about that. Normally it's the mythical, loving Yahweh who seeks retribution, even if that means having to kill his own child as payment to himself. So I can see why you assume everyone thinks like that.
Zoals de waard is vertrouwt hij zijn gasten.
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Dutch JW to be investigated by government-appointed commission
by Anders Andersen intoday a government meeting re.
child abuse & jw was held.
see this post.
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Anders Andersen
Bobby,
The goal of Reclaimed Voices is not to bring down Watchtower. The goal is to push Watchtower to make changes and improve their child abuse handling policies.